The Future Hot Engine for our GT's

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    It is interesting. They don't say how powerful the engine is though. Doesn't really take a lot of power to make a 700lb motorcycle fast. Takes a bit more to make a 2000lb car fast. Small flywheel makes transmission choices very slim. Would be great in a Exocet, Locost or Legends type chassis.

    Honestly, the 2.0L turbo that's in the new Camaro is looking pretty good right now and over 275hp. There's a complete takeout, engine, 6-speed manual, wiring, and computer for sale near me for under $5k, with 13k miles on it. I'm seriously tempted to drop it in a Manta.

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    Quote from oldopelguy

    Honestly, the 2.0L turbo that's in the new Camaro is looking pretty good right now and over 275hp. There's a complete takeout, engine, 6-speed manual, wiring, and computer for sale near me for under $5k, with 13k miles on it. I'm seriously tempted to drop it in a Manta.

    That would be a neat swap Stephan!

    Quote from oldopelguy

    Honestly, the 2.0L turbo that's in the new Camaro is looking pretty good right now and over 275hp. There's a complete takeout, engine, 6-speed manual, wiring, and computer for sale near me for under $5k, with 13k miles on it. I'm seriously tempted to drop it in a Manta.

    Well my point is that the GT has such a tiny engine bay, and this is a TINY little 4 cylinder that makes some serious hp. and is NEW and will be serviceable for years to come, and has a nice big engine sound.

    I am guessing the Camaro's 2.0L and turbo probably take up a little more room. But as for swapping one into a Manta where I am betting it has a little more room to work with, I am with Gary, that would be neat.

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    Quote from oldopelguy

    Honestly, the 2.0L turbo that's in the new Camaro is looking pretty good right now and over 275hp. There's a complete takeout, engine, 6-speed manual, wiring, and computer for sale near me for under $5k, with 13k miles on it. I'm seriously tempted to drop it in a Manta.

    Same basic engine as the Solstice, Buick Regal, Cobalt SS, etc. Very tall, and the real bitch is the oil pan fitment. Jus ask Todd Kirby how much his oil pan cost to have built....$1000 plus.

    I modified a stock Ecotec oil pan for Travis' 2.2 Ecotec Manta swap, and it took like 10 hours of aluminum TIG welding and fabrication.



    Edited once, last by Rallybob (March 3, 2017 at 12:26 PM).

    Quote from Yellow73GT

    Welcome aboard RB, glad to see you made it :) Very nice work on that pan. So whats your opinion of the Motus V4?

    Looks pretty neat. I'm sure it sounds cool too.
    Though at $10,000+, I'd have trouble justifying it, at least for myself. I can get more than 185 hp from a CIH for a lot less money.

    The biggest issue with bike-based engines is almost always the gearbox. They have small gears designed to handle the power the engine makes and the weight of a bike. When you quadruple the vehicle weight, the torque capacity of the gearbox goes way down, making them quite fragile. It would be okay in a lightweight Caterham or similar, but not a 2300 lb (with passengers) car. Same goes for the relative lack of flywheel weight and small OD clutches.

    Then there's that silly "no reverse" issue with bike transmissions. Lol.

    Yeah, and the Gen III Ecotecs moved the balance shafts to the oil pan too, so that's another layer of PITA.

    That said, a salvage ATS for $5k has a wheel base about 6" longer and within an inch of width on my Admiral. If I swapped in the whole works I wouldn't have to worry about the pan, right?